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What is the Catholic Church worth?

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storm747

Whoknew, hello being an ex-catholic I agree with a lot of what you have said.I left the church because they did act as if we should just listen and do what ever they said and being a person that always ask why, while lets say we did not see eye to eye..lol I did find a great Christian church that does more for the community here in Covina then any of the Catholic Churches (three) they have harvest festivals with rides and games FREE for all that comes..when the Catholic Churches have theres it cost a person an arm and a leg..and has anyone been to Italy to he vatican, there are millions of dollars in art, statues, gold while starving poor people are outside on the street begging for food it terrible. The Catholic church is rich and the catholic charities do try I just thinkwith all theirmoney they can be doing a lotmore.

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Anonymous
 in response to Is everone crazy?...   

I think you may be confused. I never said that I was on the same level as anyone. I do not even pretend to know what will happen tomorrow, much less in the next 30 seconds. I am not trying to divide people, either. I do try to accept everyone and their beliefs and I try to help others to understand that regardless of where anyone comes from, what they may look like, or what they may believe, there is enoguh room on this planet for everyone.

You mentioned my deception, what about the cathoic church's deception? The lies and inconsistancies throughout the bible, and the church are far too numerous to mention.

As for my views on the catholic church, I want people to understand that the church is worth far more than they may believe. While priests are not billionaires, the vatican alone has more than enough money to clothe, feed, and house possibly every person in the US alone. Yet, diocese beg for money to support the impoverish nuns who gave up everything to serve the church and receive nothing in return.

The pope, himself, claimed catholicism is the one true religion; yet judaism, islam, and paganism have been around far longer.

I want people to begin to think for themselves and ask questions. Not simply accept the catholic church's "do as I say, not as I do." propaganda. I want them to think "What is going on here???" Dig deeper, ask more questions!  If you cannot get the answers, you seek, keep looking. 

No one should have to choose between tithing to their church and feeding their family.

1 Timothy 5:8 (New International Version)

8If anyone does not provide for his relatives, and especially for his immediate family, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.

  As far as catholic charities -

Catholic Charities USA was founded in 1910 on the campus of Catholic University of America in Washington, DC, as the National Conference of Catholic Charities.

The National Conference was created to promote the creation of diocesan Catholic Charities bureaus, to encourage professional social work practice, “to bring a sense of solidarity” among those in charitable ministries, and to be the “attorney for the poor."

Any donations received by catholic charities from the catholic church are donations from the parishoner of the church - not as a direct contribution from the church itself. 

 Catholic relief services is another matter  - Catholic Relief Services was founded in 1943 by the Catholic Bishops of the United States to serve World War II survivors in Europe. Since then, we have expanded in size to reach more than 100 million people in more than 100 countries on five continents...As the the official international humanitarian agency of the U.S. Catholic community, CRS is governed by a Board of Directors made up of clergy, most of them bishops, religious and Catholic lay men and women.

But again their income is via grants and public donations. 

Additionally CRS works on overseas poverty - Our work in the United States focuses on a single mission: to help Catholics here at home put their faith into action. The Gospel calls us to care for one another as brothers and sisters, to live as one human family. CRS invites you to respond to that call by learning about the issues that keep our brother and sisters overseas in poverty. We invite you to pray with us and to speak out for those whose voices are not heard. We invite you to get involved in the Church's work to care for our neighbors around the world.

The information on Charity navigator can help you compare charities depending on the criteria you are looking for. My intention was never to deceive, merely to inform and educate... But as always, don't take my word for it...these are just my thoughts...

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Is everone crazy?

Why don't you listen to Jesus' own words as written in the book of Matthew chapter 43:

 36"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,f] but only the Father. 37As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 40Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. 41Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.

 42"Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. 43But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. 44So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.

 

I find it interesting that you are on the same level with the Father when it comes to information as to when the end times will come, and above the angels in heaven and the Son.  How's about you get off your high holy horse and work on building up the Kingdom while you are here rather than trying to sow seeds of division amongst Christians.  No one, I repeat, NO ONE knows when the end times will come and anyone who says otherwise (besides the FATHER) is a liar or confused.

 

Oh yeah, nice job with trying to mislead people into thinking that the Catholic Church is full of a bunch of stock market billionaires.  Your deception should be enough to show viewers that you don't speak for Jesus.  As far as the Church not donating any money, I find that hard to believe.  Even if they don't, they spend so much on Catholic Charities and Catholic Relief Services, etc., their own charities which provide more aid to anyone regardless of faith background, than anyone else.

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Anonymous
 in response to shaughan...   

While I may have misquoted the article, the point I was trying to make was this:

The Catholic Church is worth BILLIONS in US dollars. ( have you forgotten the priceless sculptures, paintings, and properties it owns? ) And yet how many people in the US have receive actual monetary assistance from them? The church takes, and takes and takes, but gives very little in return - which is completely hypocritical of its teachings. 

The new catholic church slogan should be - DO AS I SAY, NOT AS I DO. 

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shaughan

Wow - I cannot believe how much you misquoted the article, nor that no one else read it to see for themselves.

First of all, as I already mentioned, the currency is lires - not dollars - making the numbers in the millions of dollars (billions of lires).

Secondly, while the total income was 422.098 billions lires, as you noted above, the total expenses was NOT 188 billion, but 404.378 billion lire, which brings the net gain to 17.720 billion lire (US$8,516,000).
See the article for yourselves.

On another note, what is wrong with the Vatican using the stock market to generate income? It's hardly gambling with money seeing as its bonds are so secure that they were one of very few that were not harmed during the recent economic crisis.

And, finally, the Catholic Church gives more money for development and aid in Africa than any other institution or country in the world (If I find the source where I read this, I'll post it).

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shaughan

You do realize that the currency is in lire - not dollars, right? Therefore, according to the article, the Holy See made 17.720 billion lire in profit, equal to US$8,516,000 - a far cry from billions!

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Anonymous
 in response to mattman101au...   

While I do whole heartedly agree with your post, let's keep this in perspective, ok? Just as  every muslim is a NOT terrorist, neither is every catholic, sneaky,dirty or a pedophile.

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mattman101au
 in response to mayberica...   

obviously not enough!!! then the stupid pope comes here (Australia) and costs TAXPAYERS millions of dollars!!! NO ONE WANTS THE KIDDY FIDDLER HERE ANYWAY!!!!

I dont agree that my hardworking dollars should be spent on this diry old nazi man.

I am not a catholic man but I believe everyone is entitled to their opinion and religion.

But when these religious orginizations who are "Preaching from God" then go and blatently point out the worlds problems, not trying to fix it, just pointing them out..

I am discusted that the Catholic church has any money!!! they should only have enough money to run their weekly sermons.. why would they need anymore?? to buy little boys????

 

probably.. these days I find more trust in a muslim person than a sleezy sneaky dirty catholic.

 

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Anonymous
 in response to Doh....   

regardless... the fact of the matter is the catholic church takes  more than it gives , doh.

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Doh.

Just so you all know, those figures are in "lire" not the american dollar, so divide thos numbers by, roughly, 2209.

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Anonymous
 in response to mayberica...   

How does the church help? Have they helped you? ANd is the church is so helpful why are there people still starving in the US but yet the Church is worth BILLIONS of $$$! How is the church helping - other than taking $ from people who cannot afford to give, housing pedophiles, and keeping women subservient? So, please explain to me how that helps ANYONE? How much did your church give in actual dollars and cents to people - not in services - but in actual $, directly to people.

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mayberica

in america the catholic church has the most charitable giving in dollars except for the federal government...so yeah, people are starving, but the church does help.

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Anonymous

And yet, there are still people going hungry... go figure...

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The Wizard

WOW! That is a notable number.... :-) With this income one easily could run 7-8 developing countries...

 

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